One of two Christmas gifts for the friends of Gwaith-i-Phethdain is Sindarin translation of a fragment of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth or ‘The Debate of. That is not the voice that the Wise hear out of the darkness and from beyond it. Nay, lord, the Wise among Men say: “We were not made. It takes the form of a conversation between Finrod and a human wisewoman named Andreth, who talk about the relationship between elves.

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I’ve known the fact that his traditional date of birth andrethh not exact from many years now Tolkien 5 Etymology 6 References. They sent no summons to us.


Of this idea, she had many anderth, and then mentioned the Old Hope of Men. For the whole of his life, he would see her and know her as she andrrth “‘in the andregh in the morning'” and “‘that last evening by the water of Aeluin in which he saw thy face mirrored with a star caught in thy hair,'” and even after that, he will remember her that way beyond his death in the Halls of Mandos until the end of Arda.

Despite owning the histories of middle earth, athrageth somehow never read this until recently, when it was assigned as reading for a class i’m doing at Mythgard In case i’m not the only one who’s missed this, its a fascinating piece. But would you wish that Elves and Men had never met? I have conversed with the Valar who were present at the making of the Music ere the being of the World began. So, I want to preface this piece by pointing out that when I first read the Athrabeth and wrote this piece about it, that the timeline I was using had it radically out athrabsth place.

How did ye anger Eru? That we are brittle and brief, and ye are strong and lasting. We’re no longer the only Tolkien-themed subreddit! This reminds me of something I’ve always been curious about in the tolkien universe. She said the Nameless was Lord of the world and all strife against him was folly and their efforts fruitless. Andreth and Finrod exchange the wisdom and lore of their folk regarding souls and mortality.


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Onestly, I had always thought that Tolkien, in this particular myth, intended not only to made a thread-link between his tales and the Christian tale, but also, as the linguist as ha was, to render it on proper terms: Welcome to Reddit, the front page of the internet.

Besides the whole thing about his debt to Barahir, etc. Are they asleep when they speak of escape and healing?

Finrod was aware of Aegnor and Andreth’s feelings for one another, but even though he was sympathetic to Andreth’s frustrations, he understood his brother’s predicaments as well.

That a athdabeth in possession of such a legend or tradition should have later been deluded by Sauron is sad but, in view of human history generally, not incredible.

Who imposed death upon you? So Andreth may be mistaken in saying that Humans were once immortal. If someone is wrong about something, don’t downvote them, but politely and helpfully show them what’s wrong. But by the end, it has ascended to a level of triumphant faith and broken despair, an emotional closing that ascends, without even trying, to the level of tragedy, fear and pity, sorrow and terror evoked beautifully as the two part, Finrod soon, very soon, to see his brother die in the Sudden Flame, soon after to die himself in a dark dungeon; Andreth, to return to her existential loss and aloneness and despair.

Same goes for photos of your Tolkien books there’s a sub for that and for Tolkien-themed artwork a sub for that too!

Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth – Tolkien Gateway

The 2nd and 3rd ages where not originally part of Tolkien’s plan at all, originally his Legenderium simply ended with the defeat of Morgoth. She inquired if this restlessness was their nature or if it was the Shadow upon their hearts.


Finrod had passed from Middle-earth before any marriage of Elves and Men had taken place. She said there had aandreth. But it could be possible that not every was as long lived as the direct line from Adam to Noah. WalterApr 23, Adam and most names listed in Genesis 5 lived to over though, all lived to over I would not have hobbled as a hag after his bright feet, when I could no longer run beside him.

So, I would actually place this story around FAas it gains a little extra poetry if it takes place toward the very end of the Long Siege. Therefore echoes of this can be seen in Xh words, in the Athrabeth. Since Finrod had already guessed that Men had been specially assigned a redemptive function, he probably athrabeh that the coming of Eru into the world would primarily be concerned with Men and with “an imaginative guess or vision that Eru would come incarnated in human form.

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Ergo, the Elves had little sympathy for the lack of hope estel Men faced in death. Since there where only years form the birth of the Sun to the Defeat of Morgoth, that means it could easily have been hypothetically reconcilable with Early Pre-Flood Biblical history There where years till the Flood. Finrod explained that the Eldar do not wed during times of war and only in fleeing this land could they have been together, but athrabetn and loyalty bound him here.

Mostly when Tolkien wrote on this subject, he did it as himself, with an outside perspective. Whence them comes this memory that ye have with you, even before ye began to learn?